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mitcos писал(а):вот тут классический линк Хорста ака ФСР у спеша. за траекторию подвески отвечают 4 шарнира, отсюда и название "четырёхшарнирка"
https://yadi.sk/d/TwgLRXhBrDcte
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While most bicycle designers are convinced that four-bar linkages are the best solution for mountain bike rear suspension, the simple single-pivot swingarm type has persisted, even flourished, right under their noses. Trek's entire off-road range uses it, as does Devinci and Cannondale, and your pick, the Santa Cruz Heckler, has been a high ranking member of the single-pivot swingarm club which has survived in spite of the fact that SC has invested heavily in its four-bar VPP System. The staying power of the single-pivot swingarm hinges on its simplicity. It has fewer moving parts and that means it can either be made stronger, lighter, or more reliable - or a combination of all three. Technically, the single-pivot swingarm's long lever arm can be used to minimize leverage rate changes as the suspension compresses, which suspension tuners love, especially in the case of longer travel bikes. Efficient pedaling is equally important, and the exact placement of the forward swingarm pivot largely determines how firm or mushy the suspension will feel under power. Magically, this secret spot has evolved to be somewhere at or in front of the bottom bracket centerline and aligned with the chain pretty close to where it intersects the top of a 30-tooth front sprocket. A single-pivot-type suspension configured as such, and designed to drive the shock with a slight rising leverage rate is tough to beat.
Four-bar suspensions can offer marginal improvements because their forward pivot locations are not fixed. As the suspension compresses, the point that the wheel pivots around migrates. Clever designers can manipulate the various lengths and pivot locations of each suspension member to control or enhance the way the suspension affects braking, pedaling firmness and suspension sensitivity. The possible combinations are limitless and thus, four-bar cycling suspension has spawned a zillion patents along with a never-ending spiel of marketing claims. In real life, however, four-bar suspensions are nearly as limited as the old fashion single-pivot types, because manipulating the linkage geometry to achieve gains in one arena, like uncoupled braking or pedaling firmness, for example, erodes the suspension's performance somewhere else. It should come as no surprise then, that the best performing four-bar suspensions today are compromises - careful blends of the positive and negative attributes that come with migrating pivot locations and leverage rates. And it also should come as no surprise, given the fact that the customer wants the same things from both systems - efficient pedaling, bottomless suspension action and accurate braking - that the performance of the better four-bar and single-pivot bikes available today varies by only a few percentage points.
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Cyrill писал(а):Ну mitcos же выложил одну четырехрычажку с видео, так что работа ведется. Даже спеш прославился со своим недомерком, который может и не делает работу, но любой суд должен признать, что это четырехрычажка.
Что касается якобы блуждающей виртуальной оси поворота рычагов, так что то же надо говорить, тем кто хочет продать однорычажку. Какая нафиг ось поворота, если поворота не должно быть вообще?
Сб апр 23, 2016 19:46
mitcos писал(а):я не выставлял в последнее время видео с четырёхрычажкой, ты о чём?
mitcos писал(а):ээх, тебя бы в велоинженеры определить - уж ты-то точно всем рассказал бы, куда колесо крепить надо. А то инженеры заморачиваются - бообинг, антискват, педал кик, рычажность, прогрессия работы амморта... вот тут хотя бы размышления по поводу http://twentysix.ru/blog/kuvalda_racing/118255.html
А тут ррраз ! - и всё понятно. Шарнир поближе к переднему колесу , и будет всем счастье.
Сб апр 23, 2016 19:50
mitcos писал(а):это не четырёхрычажка
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